tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post8855290326701195400..comments2023-11-27T23:16:46.222-08:00Comments on New Trajectory: Alternatives to Gun Ownership for Home ProtectionBaldr Odinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-72070482881353678712018-05-16T17:16:34.775-07:002018-05-16T17:16:34.775-07:00Unmmm.,..it is only a falisy for people like you l...Unmmm.,..it is only a falisy for people like you libs ....Who claim you hate guns until the day you are robbed at gun-point and then you run out and buy whatever gun you feel like, because after all political positions may be altered at any moment depending on how you feel ....after all, you’re more important than any of us...so rules don’t apply to you. And then you get no training and since you don’t discipline your kids when they pick up your gun you say, “oh no Johnny that’s dangerous” Which of course any five-year-old is going to obey because you treat them like adults even when they’re five, and so you turn back to your Chardonnay party and Johnny grows up to be a lunatic because he’s never taught how to lose or that not everybody gets a trophy in life and so he can’t take any adversity any he shoots up a school. Then, you say that you left your gun unloaded because of the terrible second amendment people and that you’re now against guns and that it’s the guns fault that all those kids at the school were killed and you can count all of those in your statistics arguing that there shouldn’t be g then, you say that you left your gun on loaded because of the terrible second amendment people and that you’re now against guns and that it’s the guns fault that all those kids at the school were killed and you can count all of those in your statistics arguing that there shouldn’t be no gun’s. Read well, back at the ranch, that’s conservatives have been teaching our kids to respect Guns and have you ever noticed you never see a school shut up by the kid of an NRA supporter? You read while, back at the ranch, that’s conservatives have been teaching our kids to respect Guns and have you ever noticed you never see a school shut up by the kid of an NRA supporter question. You know that would be the first thing they would put on the news if it ever happened. Why is that? Because we teach our kids about responsibility and we are responsible and we will not let our lives be determined by you Libs who want the government to run everything. And really when push comes to show of it doesn’t matter anyway because we’re armed and you’re not so your vote will count for nothing if push ever comes to shove. Now rack it.Mrkooliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650465239789649262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-2787741740662334302013-10-31T17:44:00.411-07:002013-10-31T17:44:00.411-07:00"Do your research"
Take your own advice...<b>"Do your research"</b><br /><br />Take your own advice. You said we have "ever increasing gun violence in our society," but gun violence is <i>not</i> increasing—it has <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-violence-down-49-1993-peak-despite-public-perception-high-crime-1243671" rel="nofollow">dropped 49%</a> since 1993. If you don't have a realistic grasp of the situation, why should I take anything you have to say about it seriously?<br /><br /><b>"Countries that prohibit ownership of certain guns have, by contrast, much lower incidence of gun related deaths, and lower crime, overall."</b><br /><br />Certainly not true across the board at all. Some do, some don't. And the ones that do also generally have a more robust and secure social network—there are a lot of things that correlate much closer to violent crime and homicide than firearm availability.<br /><br /><b>"Stop spewing ill-supported stats and start reading."</b><br /><br />Oh yeah? Like which ones? Point them out, I'm curious to see what you think you're talking about.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-39937310248471674982013-10-31T05:08:27.915-07:002013-10-31T05:08:27.915-07:00Guav I don't believe I called them "frien...Guav I don't believe I called them "friends," just sad statistics of ever increasing gun violence in our society. Do your research. Countries that prohibit ownership of certain guns have, by contrast, much lower incidence of gun related deaths, and lower crime, overall. Stop spewing ill-supported stats nd start reading.Susan Parranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08301806252933849201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-7310249290086803542013-06-23T17:36:10.195-07:002013-06-23T17:36:10.195-07:00You have some real interesting friends. Luckily th...You have some real interesting friends. Luckily they are not representative of the 60 million gun owners who managed to not get shot or shoot themselves.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-86777613807076912842013-06-22T19:18:46.267-07:002013-06-22T19:18:46.267-07:00I know of of three gun owners whose guns were eith...I know of of three gun owners whose guns were either used against them or used in suicides. I have never known a gun owner who used their gun for its intended purpose: self protection. Susan Parranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787919615497858812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-88675148544006851152013-02-17T04:47:31.720-08:002013-02-17T04:47:31.720-08:00VERY ENLIGHTENING ARTICLE ABOUT GUNS, TAKES AWAY T...VERY ENLIGHTENING ARTICLE ABOUT GUNS, TAKES AWAY THE FEAR AND PARANOYA ASSOCIATED WITH HOME BURGULARY!!! VERY FEW DEATHS OF THE BURGULARIZED OR INTRUDER COMPARED TO THE OVERALL STATS OF GUN VIOLENCE!loveprotocalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11301597605531529958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-79829427800994210342012-12-31T02:00:47.742-08:002012-12-31T02:00:47.742-08:00I am comfortably accepting all the gun safety and ...I am comfortably accepting all the <a href="http://www.gunnation.com" rel="nofollow">gun</a> safety and home defense instructions Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18089779305724155672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-34159140340140519672011-11-10T15:11:55.645-08:002011-11-10T15:11:55.645-08:00Of course you should take precautions when you hav...Of course you should take precautions when you have children and guns in the same household—whatever gave you the idea that I disagreed with such a concept?<br /><br />And since there are 60+ million gun owners in the US with some 200+ million guns and only about 70 accidental gun deaths of children 14 and under a year, it appears that most "gun guys" (and girls) understand basic safety quite well.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-39671211894839792232011-11-10T14:05:24.036-08:002011-11-10T14:05:24.036-08:00@ Guav: If you have small children, you gate off t...@ Guav: If you have small children, you gate off the stairs, you don't leave them alone around a pool (or don't have a pool), and you lock up your poisonous materials and medicines. Similar precautions need to be taken with children regarding guns. Lock them up, with ammo separate, or better yet, remove the guns from the home altogether. This is basic safety, which you gun guys don't seem to understand.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-75082861447221383922011-08-19T17:54:04.605-07:002011-08-19T17:54:04.605-07:00Children + ALMOST ANYTHING are a dangerous combina...Children + ALMOST ANYTHING are a dangerous combination. <br /><br />Children are far more likely to get hurt or die by falling down stairs, poisoning themselves or drowning in the family pool than they are to shoot themselves or someone else with the family gun.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-40448432387535911622011-08-19T16:32:21.288-07:002011-08-19T16:32:21.288-07:00I would also add, children and guns do not mix and...I would also add, children and guns do not mix and are a dangerous combination.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-91041510094287244382011-08-19T16:31:41.129-07:002011-08-19T16:31:41.129-07:00Eric, you're actually telling me you hide and ...Eric, you're actually telling me you hide and re-hide your guns throughout your home several times a day? Sorry, man, but that's a sign of extremism in my mind. Even carrying a gun on your body all day in your home seems less worrisome to me (though another sign of extremism, in my mind), or do you do that, too? Either you live in a warzone or you are exceptionally paranoid.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-80390193321752168742011-08-19T14:57:08.174-07:002011-08-19T14:57:08.174-07:00I own guns and they are loaded and hidden within t...I own guns and they are loaded and hidden within the home in convenient places that are rotated throughout the day as our activity's move from inside to outside, front to back, dinner to bed. I have 4 children and we have that part taken care of. I agree that people should harden their homes; but guns are not only for self defense, or hunting. We have a government in this country that was put in place by the people; and can be removed by the people. That is the reason we have gun RIGHTS in this country to keep you and I free.Eric Pinolahttp://socyberty.com/activism/hunger-strike-activists/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-87337649595266806202011-07-09T13:42:23.059-07:002011-07-09T13:42:23.059-07:00This is great advice. Or, rather, it would be if t...This is great advice. Or, rather, it would be if things worked as they ought to. The advice is not completely invalid, but should be taken with a serious grain of salt. Most of these measures may help, but are not guaranteed to keep you safe. Let me give you a brief rundown. <br /><br /> <i> Be aware. If you see something suspicious, react. Go inside. Lock the door. Call the police. Call your neighbors.</i><br /><br />Less than a month ago I was standing outside my parents house in a not so horrible part of Minneapolis. There was much screaming and a fight was brewing. I made 6 (that's six) 911 calls before police responded about 15 or 20 minutes later. By that time a man was bleeding all over the street from a stab wound. I was aware. I called. They didn't get there in time. By the way, this is less than ten blocks from the local precinct. <br /><br /> <i> Insure that all doors and windows have strong locks, and that you use them whenever possible. Be judicious about who has keys to your home.</i> <br /><br />That's good advice on the surface. However, a burglar who actually wants to get in is unlikely to care whether the door is locked or not. The weakest point of most American doors is the door itself, followed by the door jamb. The lock will hold, but the thin wood around it won't stand up to a single good kick. Doors with glass panes are completely worthless, as are doors with large windows next to them. There is a lot more to hardening a door than getting a good lock and controlling keys. Security doors, reinforcement plates and security strikes are a good start. <br /><br /> <i>Purchase and use a home security system, and advertise the fact with exterior signs. These systems can be costly, but well worth the price.</i><br /><br />I can't afford one, and therefore have no personal experience. Can they have a faster response than the police?<br /><br /> <i>If a home security system is not within your budget, you can still purchase signs to fool would-be intruders. You can also install inexpensive magnet-alarms for windows and doors. Most burglars wouldn't know the difference.</i><br /><br />The ones that wouldn't know the difference are not burglars. They are merely thieves of opportunity. A burglar with any experience will know. Burglars go to the same stores you go to and see the same fake stickers you buy. <br /><br /> <i>Get a dog and advertise the fact that you have it. If a dog is not a reasonable choice for your household, you can still put a used dog bowl and leash near your door, along with signs, to fool intruders.</i><br /><br />Again, a random hooligan might be fooled. A burglar won't be. Burglars check out houses before they strike and they will know there is no dog. <br /><br /> <i>Install motion-sensing lights outside your home, back and front.</i><br /><br />I have that. Didn't prevent a pair of knife-wielding crackheads from attacking me in my own garage. Also, I one car stolen and another almost stolen from under the same streetlight. Relying on light to scare away criminals is kinda silly. <br /><br /> <i>Start or join a neighborhood watch program for your block, and be active in it.</i> <br /><br />I checked out a local program. What kept me away is their response to me asking what they would do if they spooked a criminal and he turned on them. They said they would use a manual they have. Defending yourself is not, apparently, a part of it. I have a family to take care of and I can't put myself in danger this way. <br /> <br /><i>Many local police forces have programs where, if you request it, they will patrol your property more often while you are away on vacation, or will patrol more often if you have a reason to feel threatened.</i> <br /><br />Given their response to the live report of an actual crime in progress I find this to be of dubious value.J. Paganelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-28216096930870357212011-05-04T17:53:46.505-07:002011-05-04T17:53:46.505-07:00I agree with all of these things and this is actua...I agree with all of these things and this is actually something taught in Concealed weapons classes. although I was hoping this article would give alternative means to defend yourself when all of these things have failedpeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06984154002561325315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-33209026909510106082011-01-24T18:03:17.006-08:002011-01-24T18:03:17.006-08:00@Sean, sounds like you're doing the right stuf...@Sean, sounds like you're doing the right stuff, and you're right, YOU are responsible for your own family's protection, the police are under no legal obligation to protect you (says the Supreme Court).<br /><br />@Baldr: I haven't seen any evidence but a casual correlation between firearms in the home and people living in the home getting shot with them. What about the likelihood of fireams AND violence accompanying ILLEGAL ACTIVITY such as drugs and gang activity? Sure, a firearm present will increase the possibility of someone being shot if someone is intent on harming someone in their household, but you have no proof the firearm is nothing more than the tool used for the crime - NOT a cause.<br /><br />Protecting my family is very important, but it's not the only reason I own firearms. Plinking and clay target shooting are a fun, safe family activity. I use firearms to teach my kids responsibility, safety, and marksmanship. <br /><br />If you believe that your perceived "risk" isn't worth those benefits, consider that I also ride motorcycles (I'm a motorcycle safety instructor, actually). Riding a motorcycle increases the risk of being injured in an accident, yet I manage that risk as best as I can, because the benefits (feeling of freedom, enjoyment of riding with friends and my family, huge gas savings) are worth it to me.<br /><br />I manage my risks riding motorcycles by wearing proper gear, making myself visible and my intentions known to other drivers, always working to improve my mental and physical riding skills, and making sure my motorcycle is maintained.<br /><br />I manage my risks with firearms by keeping all my handguns except my regular carry gun securely locked in a lock box (My carry gun is always either on my person or next to my bed when I'm sleeping), my long guns are kept far separate from the ammunition, and my two teenage children are well trained in firearms safety and I trust their responsibility that they're not going to play with the long guns (or try to get into the handgun box) without my permission.<br /><br />Perhaps riding a motorcycle or having a gun in your home aren't worth the risk YOU perceive, and that's YOUR choice, and I respect that. My choice is to do both, and to manage that risk wisely.<br /><br />...Orygunner...Orygunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829265216321634830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-73881461055554232762011-01-24T15:54:32.618-08:002011-01-24T15:54:32.618-08:00Sean, you seem to be doing everything right, thoug...Sean, you seem to be doing everything right, though I wouldn't think a home invader would still go so far after all of those impediments. And, based on what I have seen, the risk those guns have of harming your family outweighs the risk of that very rare home-invasion scenario.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-79330993832614440222011-01-24T14:48:32.612-08:002011-01-24T14:48:32.612-08:00As a husband and father, I have the obligation to ...As a husband and father, I have the obligation to ask "have I done everything possible to keep my family safe?" That responsibility falls squarely on me.<br /><br />My house is well lit, locked with dogs inside. If all that does not deter someone, forced entry should trip the alarm and notify the police. If that still doesn't deter, AND the bad guy(s) make their way upstairs, the threat is extremely serious at that point.<br /><br />I am absolutely not thinking I can do a better job than professional law enforcement, but I'm in the driver's seat until the arrive.<br /><br />If anyone would provide for a secret service detail to guard my family, I'll happily keep firearms out of the house.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10105835578914862153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-31811760283172679822011-01-24T02:48:42.130-08:002011-01-24T02:48:42.130-08:00Guav, points taken. I was condescending and I don...Guav, points taken. I was condescending and I don't know you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-55312302420735359352011-01-23T12:25:43.091-08:002011-01-23T12:25:43.091-08:00To echo Orygunner. "For Virginia Tech, the g...To echo Orygunner. "For Virginia Tech, the gunman was able to walk around constantly reloading and shooting people for minutes... What leap of logic suggests that one responsible armed student or teacher present wouldn't have a VERY good chance at stopping or at least slowing down the attack?"<br /><br />What we know FOR SURE is what happens when no one but the crazy guy is armed. It's called a massacre. Given NO other choices do you want your loved ones in a shootout or a massacre? <br /><br />I choose shootout because they *might* have a chance. Given 'some chance' or 'no chance' I'll take some chance every time, and so would any rational human.<br /><br />The anti-gun people worry that shootings would go up, but consider that the ADULTS (that might be students) armed on campus are already legally carrying everywhere else but campus and have met all the requirements to carry. There is nothing magical about the campus boundary and it obviously does not stop crazy people with guns. One might argue that it attracts them since they know that there are large numbers of people that cannot fight back.<br /><br />How many shooting have happened at the University of Utah? How many accidental shootings? How many arrests for someone showing a firearm?<br /><br />Students have been allowed to carry concealed there 5+ years and I can't find ANY record of problems. Odd no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-36767597672685389762011-01-22T11:25:37.720-08:002011-01-22T11:25:37.720-08:00Read what I wrote, Mike. I didn't say "gu...Read what I wrote, Mike. I didn't say "gun control folks have never experienced any of those things." <br /><br /><b>"The irony is, poor Guav is worse off with his guns than he would be without them."</b><br /><br />Of course, you're not condescending <i>at all</i>. But that aside, there is absolutely no way you can categorically state that I am "worse off" with my guns than I would be without them. You have no way of knowing whether or not someone is worse off or better off—most of the 60 million gun owners are not worse off.<br /><br />And for the record, all of the things I mentioned that have happened to me in my life occurred before I ever owned a gun. Nothing bad has happened since. That's not BECAUSE I now own a gun, but quite obviously, things have not gotten worse for me. <br /><br />So stop saying things that have no basis whatsoever in fact, Mike. You don't know me and have no idea what you are talking about.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-67600977184370611302011-01-22T05:21:52.245-08:002011-01-22T05:21:52.245-08:00eumenides, could an armed citizen on the scene hav...<strong>eumenides</strong>, could an armed citizen on the scene have <em>prevented</em> the Tuscon or VA Tech shootings? Absolutely not. Might they have cut them short? It's entirely possible, but there is no certain answer, every situation is different.<br /><br />Having a gun on you is not a magic talisman that wards off attacks, and there is no guarantee that you'll be able to stop an attack in progress. However, people successfully defending themselves against armed, and often multiple attackers with their own weapons is not unusual, nor is it something that only happens in movies. It's a common occurrence, and normal people do it quite frequently. Here are just a few examples from this month:<br /><br /><a href="http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/2011/jan/05/3/cowarts-man-charged-botched-robbery-ar-1305508/" rel="nofollow">Jan 5</a>: The resident said he answered a knock at the door of his home to find a man coming toward him with a shotgun and demanding money. The man in the home, armed with a handgun, fired his gun several times, striking the would-be robber three times. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.islandpacket.com/2011/01/05/1500256/beaufort-robbery-goes-awry-when.html" rel="nofollow">Jan 5</a>: One of two armed men who tried to rob a house late Tuesday ended up with a gunshot wound instead of loot when a guest in the home opened fire on the two intruders, according to Beaufort police.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=13797200" rel="nofollow">Jan 6</a>: A Dougherty County woman's workday started out with a shootout with a couple of armed robbers. She was grazed by a bullet, but she's sure she shot that gunman too. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/robbery-victim-fatally-shoots-his-attacker/1203926/Jan-10-2011_7-42-pm/" rel="nofollow">Jan 10</a>: Sheriff's deputies say three men approached the victim, pulled a gun and demanded money, but the robbery didn't go as planned for the suspects. The victim pulled his own gun and fatally shot one of his attackers.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/Store-Clerk-Kills-One-Robbery-Suspect-and-Injures-Another-114003529.html" rel="nofollow">Jan 17</a>: Police say two men with guns tried to rob a Subway on W. Sugar Creek Road in north Charlotte Monday night. The clerk ended up shooting both suspects with his own gun.<br /><br /><a href="http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/2011/jan/05/3/cowarts-man-charged-botched-robbery-ar-1305508/http://www.fox41.com/story/13873661/store-owner-shoots-suspected-robber" rel="nofollow">Jan 19</a>: Authorities say a store owner shot and injured a would-be robber who Metro Police detectives believe could be responsible for more than a dozen similar crimes.<br /><br />As far as the four police officers who were shot, that's just another reason why I would never personally open carry even if I could—why would I want potential bad guys <em>knowing</em> I was armed? Seems like a good way to make yourself a target for ambush. Just my opinion though.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-29035606296075151992011-01-22T03:17:57.406-08:002011-01-22T03:17:57.406-08:00Guav sure has a dramatic way with words, but it...Guav sure has a dramatic way with words, but it's a bit condescending to say that gun control folks have never experienced any of those things.<br /><br />I have, and I've chosen other ways to respond, lake Baldr.<br /><br />The irony is, poor Guav is worse off with his guns than he would be without them. And when you multiply Guav my tens of millions, we're all worse off.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-71415399082295788632011-01-21T22:54:36.444-08:002011-01-21T22:54:36.444-08:00eumenides, do you do any thinking for yourself, or...eumenides, do you do any thinking for yourself, or just parrot the same tired, useless excuses you hear from other anti-rights advocates?<br /><br />(Actually, I'm making an assumption, maybe you originally said this stuff and dozens of other people are copying YOU.)<br /><br />You're making a common mistake most gun control advocates do, and that's trying to use anecdotal evidence to support a broader claim.<br /><br />So Mr. Stomps was shot to death with his own weapon. Every set of statistics I have seen prove that "having your gun taken from you and used on you instead" happens an extremely small percentage of the time a firearm is used for self defense. <br /><br />The four police officers were seated in a booth in a coffee shop, when the killer ambushed them, intent on killing them. How many regular citizens get ambushed by people intent on murdering them? VERY very few. To suggest that because ANYONE caught off guard and ambushed couldn't defend themselves with a firearm as reason nobody else can in any other circumstance is extremely faulty logic.<br /><br />For the instance of the Tuscon massacre, there's no telling. The one nearby armed citizen was too far away when the shooting started and the suspect had been tackled by the time he got there. <br /><br />For Virginia Tech, the gunman was able to walk around constantly reloading and shooting people for minutes... What leap of logic suggests that one responsible armed student or teacher present wouldn't have a VERY good chance at stopping or at least slowing down the attack?<br /><br />In all three of those situations, one armed person in the right place would have had a very good chance to make a little, or a LOT of difference. Except in your flawed, biased logic.<br /> <br />Oh, here's an example that disproves your theory of "reality" - a person with a gun at the right place at the right time.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReJn0kmobnI<br /><br />Now that I've proven that a gun in the right place and the right time saves lives, and you've proven that disarmed victims leads to higher death tolls... What possible excuse is there not to have some guns in the "right" hands? Or are all hands wrong to you unless they have a badge attached?<br /><br /><br />...Orygunner...Orygunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829265216321634830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-10643350578100605602011-01-21T20:52:02.421-08:002011-01-21T20:52:02.421-08:00When someone claims that people with guns could ha...When someone claims that people with guns could have prevented the Tucson Massacre or the Virginia Tech Massacre, I remind them of the Lakewood shooting in November 2009 in which four police officers were shot to death. One officer managed to get off a couple of shots (exact number unknown) but the gunman still got away and all four officers were shot to death.<br /><br />So if someone thinks he can actually succeed where four armed, trained, experienced police officers could not, then he needs to seriously think about the reality of massacres and ambushes. Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood's characters were just that: characters in a story--not real life.eumenidesnoreply@blogger.com