tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post1342838085977601443..comments2023-11-27T23:16:46.222-08:00Comments on New Trajectory: Oregon Should Ban Guns On Public College CampusesBaldr Odinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-16763365077625545062011-10-14T17:52:28.148-07:002011-10-14T17:52:28.148-07:00Oregon colleges don't have the authority to ba...Oregon colleges don't have the authority to ban guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-80788799579600169432011-10-13T23:13:24.461-07:002011-10-13T23:13:24.461-07:00One point that doesn't often come up is that s...One point that doesn't often come up is that some of us professors have concealed carry licenses. We certainly aren't irresponsible children.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-76720515998053616392011-10-13T14:41:17.852-07:002011-10-13T14:41:17.852-07:00The statistics at colleges which allow concealed c...The statistics at colleges which allow concealed carry do not support your theories, nor does "feeling safe" equate to "being safe". I for one am not interested in the politics of fear, whether from Bush after 9/11 or Ceasefire OR. You should read the Harpers article "Happiness is a Worn Gun" (PDF is online) for a sober take on concealed carry from someone with liberal leanings (which I share btw). If this issue is SO very important to you you should get a permit, whatever training you need, and wear a pistol for a few weeks (like the author mentioned above did). Do you think you will be inclined to shoot people you disagree with, go looking for trouble, threaten people with your gun? Of course you won't, and neither would any self respecting person . . . which is precisely why I seldom hear of any incidents involving any of the ~20k permit holders in my county.<br /><br />Your College-related comments are inflammatory and untrue. As Guav states above, you have to be 21 to have a permit, so the notion that freshman at their first kegger will be drunk, packing and exploring their newfound freedom is extremely misleading at best. You do your argument a great disservice by ignoring the basic requirements to have a permit and choosing to ignore real statistics born from actual student bodies/campuses where permit holders can and do carry. <br /><br />You also ignore the simple fact that on a campus with guns banned where armed security/police are present help will be minutes away when seconds count, and then on a campus where even security is unarmed, bans like you propose would set the stage for the kind of agonizingly slow police response we have seen again and again at tragic school shootings.<br /><br />If what you really want in your heart of hearts is a world where gun violence (and perhaps guns) no longer exist . . . well that is a patently utopian idea that is at some odds with history, reality, and the Constitution. I am offended when people choose which rights are inconvenient or unimportant to them. Guantanamo, Warrantless Wiretaps, Extrajudicial Killings, individual issues may have political affiliation, but the problem of people playing fast and loose with rights crosses all party lines. Your quest seems of the same stripe. If you really want to ban guns, you need to work towards the kind of public consensus needed for a Constitutional amendment. Anything else is unacceptable and dishonest.EthanPDXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-6913999016747763452011-10-08T20:54:36.537-07:002011-10-08T20:54:36.537-07:00Your entire screed against the ban on campus carry...Your entire screed against the ban on campus carry being overturned focuses on saying how dangerous you think it is for college students (and presumably anyone that age) to possess firearms and how they just can't be trusted with them ... but college-age people—student or not—CAN own guns, and reinstating the ban will not affect that one bit. What you need to demonstrate is that allowing them ON CAMPUS is inherently worse or more dangerous. <br /><br />See, cause the thing is, in order to get a concealed carry permit in Oregon, you must be 21 or older, not a convicted felon, not convicted or found guilty of a misdemeanor, have no outstanding warrants for your arrest, and must demonstrate competence with a handgun. College students can already carry guns if they want to, assuming they meet those requirements. If the state already trusts such a person to carry a weapon everywhere else, I don't see why you think they are suddenly transformed into bloodthirsty murderers or super depressed suicides waiting to happen when they set foot <i>on campus</i>. As usual, much ado about nothing. <br /><br />Here is what I predict is going to happen: Nothing.<br /><br />The ban won't be reinstated. Some students with carry permits might bring their weapons concealed onto campus. Nobody will know about it. There will not be a sudden surge in gun murders or suicides on campus. <br /><br />Of course, for some bizarre reason, when your predictions do not come true, that will not change your stance on the issue—you'll still insist that allowing guns on campus is dangerous, like the Iraq war supporters who still to this day insist that we had to invade because Saddam had WMD.Guavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568182455048577926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1696618898580620397.post-53650363802417076532011-10-07T22:46:41.184-07:002011-10-07T22:46:41.184-07:00What do you base your belief in gun control on? I...What do you base your belief in gun control on? Is your belief <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability" rel="nofollow">falsifiable</a>? In other words, what new evidence would change your mind? I'm not talking about evidence that currently exists, rather would it be possible to change your mind via evidence? <br /><br />If after several years of allowing guns on campus, campus violence and suicide went down would that be sufficient?Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10167315201563562644noreply@blogger.com